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i n t e r v i e w

An Appetite for Big Things

In an exclusive interview for the Daily Telegraph,
Alan Bates tells Michael Owen about his role
in the RSC's controversial new "Antony and
Cleopatra," and how life goes on after
the deaths of his wife and son.


WITH his blue cotton jacket buttoned to the throat Chinese-style and heavy, dark glasses concealing his eyes, Alan Bates strode through the morning crowds of tourists in Stratford-upon-Avon without drawing a single glance of recognition. It is a fair bet that quite a few of the strollers had attended the previous evening's performance of "Antony and Cleopatra," which has brought the actor back to major Shakespeare, but even with his identifying mop of dark hair he passed unnoticed. And that's the way he likes it.
It is 20 years since Bates was last in Stratford (in "The Taming of the Shrew"). His return has given the Royal Shakespeare Company its biggest presence for years, but Bates has studiously avoided publicity and kept a low profile. A month after opening, this was the first and only interview he allowed.
We took a late breakfast at a local cafe where I had to open his miniature pot of marmalade for him. He talked openly but with watchful pauses, as though imagining how his answers might appear in print.
Although the response to Bates's return to classical acting was warm, Steven Pimlott's production fared less happily. Both the opening scene of oral sex between the lovers and the death scenes, in which the corpses stand up and walk away, came under intense fire.

o Tribute to Ollie o

While Bates was happy to address himself to these, and other more personal matters, there was one image from the play that the critics seem to have missed that I wanted to put to him. During the bacchanalia of the galley scene, when Pompey's party has reached the height of drunkenness, Bates suddenly drops his trousers. This, I remembered, was a regular carousing trick of the late Oliver Reed.
Bates grinned broadly when I mentioned it. "Yes, you've got it. This is my tribute to Ollie. It was certainly inspired by him. When you get the amount of drinking and levity that the play describes then it is bound to get a bit silly. So I took a cue from my old friend.
"I can't tell you how many times I saw him in his cups, but never ever during work. He was totally there for the work, very professional, but in the rest of his life he was not, shall we say, in quite the same state.
"He could have had a career like this, you know," he continued, nodding towards the Royal Shakespeare Theatre. "Jonathan Miller once asked him to play Richard III. Now imagine what that could have been like."

o Controversies o

More memories of working with Reed on their famous nude wrestling scene in "Women in Love" were to come later. First we discussed the controversies raised by the current production, in which Antony is first seen head down between Frances de la Tour's open bare legs.
"I haven't read anything myself but we've been told there has been a bit of fuss. We thought it gave an expression of the passion and closeness of their love. The relationship is founded on mutual sensuality. It came up in rehearsal; we tried it, then rejected it and finally reinstated it. I was very happy with it. Because it is a court scene we thought it could be done stylistically with the court turning its back on what happens.
"I can't help thinking if it had been anywhere else in Europe no one would have said a thing. We seem to be back to that "No Sex Please, We're British" thing. I find the production quite daring in many other ways.
"I believe the death scenes are beautifully done. You just see the spirit leaving the body. I had a letter from a widow who said her husband's death had been exactly like that. She felt he had just got up and walked away."

o Waiting for 'Antony' o

It turns out that Bates has been waiting to play the role for more than 10 years. Greek director Michael Cacoyannis, with whom he made "Zorba the Greek," wanted him to star with Irene Papas. Later, Frances de la Tour suggested they do it when they were paired in "The Dance of Death" at Riverside Studios. Last year he was announced for the National Theatre production with Helen Mirren but had to withdraw with damaged cartilage and ligaments. Alan Rickman replaced him but the show took a critical hammering.
"So Antony has been creeping up on me for quite a long time. I was working with Frances on another film when the invitation from the National arrived. I had to tell her I was doing it with somebody else. That was a tricky moment. She walked me all over town for a whole day. I now say that's what did my leg in. It was her revenge. Well, that's our joke. But it took me nine months to learn to stop limping."
The RSC initially signed him for both "Antony "and "Timon of Athens" but he had to withdraw from the latter when a chest infection robbed him of 10 days' rehearsal. He said, "I could not resist the double challenge. I have a hunger to do as much as I can before the energy starts to go, and "Timon" had been on my list for some time. But powers beyond my control took over. Perhaps it was a message telling me I'd made a mistake." Michael Pennington has taken over the role.

o A New Plateau? o

Bates has always seemed drawn to the most demanding roles, be they the endlessly loquacious characters of Simon Gray or stage-chewing oddities like "The Showman," seen at the Almeida not long ago. "I do have an appetite for fairly big things. I look at it this way: I'm in this business. It's what I've always wanted to do. I do it reasonably well. So I'll do as much as I can."
He will remain in Stratford until October, then go on to Plymouth, Newcastle and the Barbican in London. "That takes me through to next April and it suits me fine. There is no way I am going to get bored with this show. It will continue to grow as we go along."
He has at last achieved the long-sought working reunion with Cacoyannis, on a film version of "The Cherry Orchard," again co-starring de la Tour, which will open in London in October. "Michael adapted it himself, raised the money - which for a long time seemed impossible - and we shot it in Bulgaria. It's a strange and exciting place, like a country in limbo trying to decide where its future should be."
Alan Bates is 64 and seems to have found a new plateau of existence after the tragic loss of his son, Tristan, and wife, Victoria, in the space of two years in the early 1990s. He cannot quite bring himself to agree. "There is no right way of doing things. You just live with it. There is no alternative but to accept that you will live out your own span of time and miss them like hell. There is nothing you can say. It is an everlasting thing."
While his other son, Benedick, continues to be busy as an actor, Bates has concentrated on supporting the Tristan Bates Theatre he established as his dead son's memorial at the Actors' Centre in London. He recently helped the theatre to become a producing venue as well as a receiving house and it will now stage its own productions for six months of the year.

o Theatrical History o

There has been a recent reminder of his own early breakthrough in the theatre with the National's revival of "Look Back in Anger." Bates played Cliff in the original 1956 Royal Court production. "It was the first time I was seen in a recognised play and people took notice. Doors began to open and I was being offered work. I think there was a sense that the play would be seen as ground-breaking. But the initial reaction was not very good until Kenneth Tynan came to the rescue in The Observer. The rest we know."
That was the time when the young Bates was living in a flat in Battersea that became a footnote in theatrical history in its own right. He shared it with Albert Finney, Brian Bedford, Keith Baxter and Roy Kinnear - all on the threshold of their careers. "That life seemed to go on for 10 years but I'm sure it can't have been that long. You always knew there would be someone around. They were great days."
We returned to Ken Russell's film of "Women in Love." There can be no higher act of courage for an actor than to enter a naked wrestling contest with Oliver Reed, I suggested.
"Oh, I don't know," he smiled. "We both knew the scene was in the book and we would have to do it. The whole thing was very carefully choreographed. Ken set up four cameras so we would only have to do it once. We were due to rehearse it the day before but for some reason Ollie decided he wanted to rehearse separately."
I interrupted him to say that legend suggests Reed was worried that his manhood might not measure up to Bates's and was only persuaded to continue when he was assured of equality in that direction.
Bates grinned again: "I think there may have been a bit of willie-watching from Ollie. I think he was a bit concerned. When you are the first people to do something like that it's easy to become a bit paranoid. But by the time shooting came it was the last thing on our minds. We did it in sections over a day and a half; it was quite shattering."
He began to button up his jacket again to walk back to the theatre. This time he forgot the dark glasses. A group of schoolgirls spotted him from across the road, but by the time they caught up he was safe inside his house and the door was closing. His privacy was once again complete.

Michael Owen, © The Sunday Telegraph, 8 August 99, reprinted Wednesday, 11 August 99.

 
 
 
 
 
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