Interview with
Harold Pinter
from the original 1974 Cinebill given to the audience
The eminent playwright and scenarist
answers some
questions regardinghis first screen directing task
HP:
I wanted to do the play of "Butley"
in the first place because it seemed to me to have such verve,
such mastery of language, and the central character was, I thought,
such a remarkable man. I found the play ferocious, very witty,
very sad. It seemed to me that Butley was a man living in a kind
of no man's land -- between women and between men. I understood
from the play that his sexual experience was with women but that
he probably liked men better. In other words, I didn't see him
as a homosexual.
Q: Well, not a practicing physical
homosexual?
HP: No.
Q: Mentally attracted to men?
HP: Precisely,
yes. I think quite a number of men are in this position and it
makes life very difficult for them. However, I must emphasize
that this is only one element of his situation, in his attitude
towards himself and others. His nausea is an intellectual nausea.
Q: Having done the play on the stage,
was it difficult to re-imagine it as a movie or not?
HP:
No, it wasn't I was concerned
with expressing the work in terms of film and I was dealing with
a work which in fact dictated itself in terms of how you look
at it. We simply considered how very sparely we could aid what
actually takes place in terms of seeing the framework in which
it takes place. It was valuable, I felt, to see the context in
which he existed and so we took the opportunity to see him, I
think economically, in relation to the corridors, entrance hall,
exterior of the college itself.
Q: What kind of director are you?
I mean, are you an improvisor or a meticulous planner?
HP: I
did plan the film shot by shot, all subject to modification naturally
during the actual shooting, but I think the basis of the screenplay
did prove to be a proper and workable basis. I must remind you
this was the first time I had directed a film. I was grateful
for all advice. I've always been very closely associated in the
films which I've written for Joe Losey, but it's a very different
matter, of course, when you're asked to take final responsibility
for all particulars and on all levels.
Q: But do you actually enjoy the
process?
HP: I
enjoyed the activity very much indeed.
Q: How possible is it to film a play
successfully, a work conceived in one definite medium?
HP: The play
of "Butley" was written for the stage. The film "Butley"
was conceived for the screen. On the stage one of the challenges
that faces a diarector, a writer and the actors is how to focus
the attention of the audience, how to bend the focus, how to
insist that the focus of the audience goes in one specific direction
when there are so many other things to look at on the stage.
With a film the audience must attend only to the particular image
you're showing them. They have no chance to do anything else,
unless they're more interested in their ice cream or the person
next to them.
Q: While Peter Hall was directing
"The Homecoming," you were evidentally around the set
a good deal -- you've been directing "Butley" -- the
author, Simon Gray, has been around on the set a good deal. What
do you think is actually gained from this kind of writer-director
relationship -- what is the benefit of the writer being there?
HP: There
was, as you know, a tradition which still obtained when I started
writing, of writers being banned from rehearsals or the studio.
It wasn't until I met Peter Hall that I realised how things could
really work. He invited total cooperation and participation beetween
all concerned, with the author as a principal factor. I have
followed that course. After each take the first person I looked
at was, on the whole, not the cameraman or the operator or the
continuity girl or the sound mixer, but Simon Gray. The shot
can be perfect, the sound perfect, but if what we're looking
at and listening to is not fully and precisely expressed, you're
nowhere. The author's judgement and instinct in relation to this
central fact must be invaluable. After all, he wrote the damn
thing. |||
Cinebill Vol 1, No 7, January
1974 © 1350 Publishing Co, Inc.
* "Butley" was one
of eight films in the American Film Theatre's 1973-74 premiere
season. The UK release, as the BRITISH film Theatre, came in
1976.
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